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BillyBoy0823
Jul 30 2008, 07:38AM
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Most definitely not for the simple reason it would need a team of full time programmers updating the plugin everytime every plugin author made a change in their plugin! And thats assuming they tell people that they have changed something.


SO, having every OTHER plugin writer have to keep up with the Gold plugin changes is LESS people?

Because there needed to be some table changes to support my version there is a strong possibility that other plugins that use the existing gold system will break.


Seems it will be work either way, but at least having it focused in ONE spot, WITH the plugin makes more sense to me.

The whole reason for making the api is so that individual authors can easily integrate their plugin in to the system and know that there is a consistent interface that they can use. The documentation is slowly taking shape, I can either write documentation or write code but not both at the same time, much as though I try to be other wise, I'm only human.


I also could be writing code, not trying to guess how to incorporate every other plugin available. Or thinking that Once I've done a lot of work on it, someone will just take it over and modify it and stick their name on it.

I would hardly say that having a wiki and 3 dedicated discussion forums with public read access is secretive. Also there is a whole web site being developed just for the gold system (e107gold.com) . Plus I'm on MSN where you can get me. There are some future facilities/enhancements that haven't yet been finalised and so are not made public but are discussed with other codes and testers.


I read most all of it, and still didn't find my answers. With all the information spread out all over, And as coder starting to look into it, I don't want to be hunting for and reading in tons of locations, I want to write code.

It's not easy either way, but my point is, each plugin should do as much as possible. If they all start having api, things will get extremely messy. It shouldn't be up to the dozens of plugin writers to get one plugin to work.

If you are unable to code your plugin to use an api then I'm more than happy to offer help, as I said in my PM to you, post any queries in the forums on my site.


The PM WAS a request for the help. I don't like the fact I have to start signing up at sites other than e107 for support on e107 related topics. Do I have to sign up on each plugin writers site? This is one of e107's downfalls already. Lack of organization and things being spread out. ALthough it's slowly starting to become focused back to e107. If the focus stayed here, e107 would be better off. I can see one of these sites will eventually just keep 'collecting' plugins and eventually create and e107 fork.

I will sign up, or look at a plugin wiith it incorporated because I have tons of free time, as do all other plugin writers.
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BillyBoy0823
Jul 30 2008, 07:56AM
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I won't be adding the support for the GOLD system because of the fact of this post I read in a forum;

Because there needed to be some table changes to support my version there is a strong possibility that other plugins that use the existing gold system will break.


I also noticed no one replied when people showed the fear of their current krooze arcade might break.

I will wait for it to become stable before I revisit the Idea. I don't want this plugin possibly break.

[ Edited Jul 30 2008, 07:58AM ]
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G4HDU
Jul 30 2008, 08:13AM
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ChicksHateMe wrote ...

I won't be adding the support for the GOLD system


That's a relief!
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G4HDU
Jul 30 2008, 08:22AM
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ChicksHateMe wrote ...



I also could be writing code, not trying to guess how to incorporate every other plugin available. Or thinking that Once I've done a lot of work on it, someone will just take it over and modify it and stick their name on it.




Huh?
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BillyBoy0823
Jul 30 2008, 11:05AM
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Just because you don't like my decision not to implement it now, doesn't mean you have to be rude and hijack a thread on a plugin I am writing.

I think I've explained clearly enough why I don't think it's a good idea for me to implement it right now.

You did reply, and showed me where to start, and where to look. Thanks! I will do that in the future If I feel it's stable enough to include.

It does bother me that every other plugin developer will have to modify their plugin at some point to work with GOLD rather than Gold handling the integration.

It also bothers me how it appears the young azn devil, who originally wrote the Popular Gold plugin, seemed to be treated around here. I wonder how he has felt about how things have gone on with his prodict. Many plugins sit for years between revisions, but this was scooped up pretty fast huh.

But again, this isn't the thread on GOLD, only my thread on CHATBOX II and a decision not to incorporate it which has gone off on a tangent.

I will start a NEW thread for the next release so others don't have to read these unrelated posts.
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BillyBoy0823
Jul 30 2008, 04:52PM
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OMFG!!!!!

REALLY????

How F'n hard would it have been to say I could SIMPLY add the line

add_gold($amount, USERID);

or anything CLOSE to that.

What a jerk!!!! No wonder there are so many sites without the answers.


At least there are SOME decent plugin writers willing to SHARE information to further the growth of e107 and it's plugins.
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BillyBoy0823
Jul 30 2008, 05:26PM
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days of looking, and with the help of another plugin writer I was explained how simple it was to add points to AZN Devil's Current GOLD System (no good support from the supposed supporters).

Here's the simple code I was loooking for;

if (USERID && (isset($pref['gold_chatbox'])) ){
add_gold($pref['gold_chatbox'], USERID);
}


SO, only one more change and version 1.5.0 will be done. Should be within a day. Yay.
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G4HDU
Jul 31 2008, 12:35AM
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ChicksHateMe wrote ...


It also bothers me how it appears the young azn devil, who originally wrote the Popular Gold plugin, seemed to be treated around here. I wonder how he has felt about how things have gone on with his prodict. Many plugins sit for years between revisions, but this was scooped up pretty fast huh.



Azndevil decided he nolonger wanted to support the gold plugin and I was asked if I'd take it on. I did so and saw a potential to take a good plugin and make it better. I asked azndevil for his view on me taking it over and he said that was OK. I have left any copyright notices that were in the original. 85% of the plugin has been rewritten so far and will therefore give much greater scope for developers to integrate their plugins with the gold system.

The only reason I made a posting on this thread was because you had made a factual inaccuracy.

To suggest that I should be responsible for integrating every plugin in to the gold system is quite stupid. If we were to extrapolate that then the e107 devs should be responsible for integrating your chatbox into e107! They effectively provide an api which, I presume you use, for you to integrate your plugin in to the cms. They don't do it for you.

OMFG!!!!!

REALLY????

How F'n hard would it have been to say I could SIMPLY add the line

add_gold($amount, USERID);

or anything CLOSE to that.

What a jerk!!!! No wonder there are so many sites without the answers.


At least there are SOME decent plugin writers willing to SHARE information to further the growth of e107 and it's plugins.


Well, if I'd shared that code with you then it wouldn't work in the new version.

3 dedicated discussion forums, bug tracker, wiki pages and a dedicated showcase site under development isn't sharing eh?

I wish you well with the development of your plugins, if at some point you wish to add support for gold then feel free to ask for assistance it will be given.
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Aaron2
Jul 31 2008, 05:37AM
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erm it doesn't display the X again and how do moderators mute users?
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Skyline
Jul 31 2008, 06:08AM
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ChicksHateMe wrote ...

I won't be adding the support for the GOLD system



i can understand now why your nickname is what it is, if you carry on like this ChicksHateMe, you will soon be rewarded with a new nick name E107MEMBERSHATEME and don't need you

Referring to e107 gods to make them happy and now by saying gold will not be added to the chatbox2, you totally switch me of any of your plug ins and will not support you

Also saying members take over plug ins and just add there name to it, you are totally confused here

Azn stopped support for the gold plugin and removed it from all sites, then allot of members asked, forced the project over to FB

How is this taking over a plugin that got removed from the whole community

Father Barry has writen over 50 plugins for the community, and can tell you all of them get supported everyday,

you on one now, Chatbox2 and it is a copy and paste from the original chatbox with added features

you are trying to make a name in e107, but can tell you not a good one, respect is earned, trying to run someone down, so you can look good is not going to work here

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Hans Arends
Jul 31 2008, 07:01AM
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Skyline_GTR, now you're doing exactly the same imo but oke. I think they both need some respect, because they have written some nice plugins for "us".

I also understand the comment about the gold system from both sides. ChicksHateMe would like to be the goldsystem automatically being integrated instead of he is integrating the gold system.
FatherBerry knows more about the e107 system and probably it aint possible to integrate it like that, so they are both right about this I think.

Example: Someone is creating a plugin that gives you dogs instead of gold... there are users using this plugin and ChicksHateMe has created Chatbox2 that is working great, but for some users it's not working because they won't receive any dogs when they submit a post. Then he will be busy for years to extend his plugin with hacks to provide those users with the Chatbox2 as well.

In my opinion such plugins needs to get more attention and be standard e107 plugins for a long time already.

Anyway... keep it nice in here and keep up the good work you both!
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Skyline
Jul 31 2008, 07:44AM
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ChicksHateMe wrote ...

I won't be adding the support for the GOLD system because of the fact of this post I read in a forum;

Because there needed to be some table changes to support my version there is a strong possibility that other plugins that use the existing gold system will break.


I also noticed no one replied when people showed the fear of their current krooze arcade might break.

I will wait for it to become stable before I revisit the Idea. I don't want this plugin possibly break.




Krooze arcade wont break because Paul is all ready working on getting the new gold system to work
with krooze v0.8
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BillyBoy0823
Jul 31 2008, 10:08AM
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Well, if I'd shared that code with you then it wouldn't work in the new version
.

That is just stupid. REALLY Stupid. So, with your thinking, I should not get what's CURRENTLY available working? I should only program for the NEXT Version.

Idiotic....

I wasted a lot of time looking for an answer you could have EASILY given to me. I could have been programming, rather than searching...


Yeah you've done some plugins and have a good fan-base, but this just shows how controlling you are, rather than how helpful you are.

I won't post to you, or this hijacked thread with your stupidity and lack of help and support. At least I have met a few people that ARE willing to SHARE information, rather than horde it.

And it's 4 plugins, not one That I share, which doesn't include proprietary ones I've done (to the brown-noser butting in).
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Dominator
Aug 31 2008, 04:20PM
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Hi

When people post long sentences it stretches out my page.

I found this:

NOTE_2: Set the `Wrap long words in menu text` to avoid stretching.

I cannot find that option
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gefy2
Sep 01 2008, 12:16AM
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It´s in ´preferences -> textrendering´ in the admin section.
(not in the chatbox settings)
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KVN
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release candidates are good for that sort of thing
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